"Switzerland Case Has Razed the Armenian Claims And Strategies"
“Loyalty of the constitutional order and the society of the state that we choose to live in is the necessity of both law and humanity.”
Professor Doctor Sadi Çaycı, who is the Vice Dean of Law School in Baskent University, Chief of Public Law Department, Professor Lecturer of International Law Department and the Manager of Strategical Studies Center, shared his ideas about the defense of Turkish thesis in the axis of Armenian issue about genocide. At this point, Sadi Çaycı indicated that the universities and think tank organizations fell to important duties in order to inform the society in terms of the topics that are for the benefits of the society.
On the subject of Turkish Armenian relations, Sadi Çaycı remarks that it is important to base conceivable and knowledge-based nationalism and also to give due consideration to the international law for getting to a healthy point in terms of these relations. As underlining the necessity of paying regard the benefits of Turkey and cleaving constitutional order, Sadi Çaycı discourses the importance of national and international peace in order to protect the security in terms of being confident about the future.
Historyoftruth.com:First of all, we want to thank you for approving our interview. Can you talk about yourself for our readers in the first place?
Sadi Çaycı: I was born in 1949. I had completed my high school education in 1966-67 at Streator, Illinois Twp. High School with AFS scholarship. (My second long stay in USA was in 1987-88 at the school, which was called “The Judge Advocate’s School, US Army” in Charlottesville, Virginia during my master education about Military Law.
After that, I had completed Law School in Ankara University in 1971. Between the years of 1973 and 2004, I worked as military judge. In 2004, while I was working as legal counselor at Turkish Presidency of General Staff, I was retired willingly. I officiated in Eurasian Strategic Research Center between the years of 2004 and 2009. I have been working as the Chief of Public Law Department, Vice Dean and instructor of International Law at Law School İn Baskent University from 2009.
HistoryofTruth.com: Can you tell us your opinions about defending Turkish thesis under the title of Armenian issue in 2016?
Sadi Çaycı: Turkish thesis has considerably proceeded about this subject. There is no panic mood from now on. This is a political dirty play under the display of “for the humanity”.
With a political discrepancy, Turkey is forced to sit down to a table in order to be procured acceptance of some demands. Even though this is not possible, in certain periods every year, this subject is used to exercise influence over turkey. In various topics, it is also used to obtain concessions and I think they partially succeeded at this point.
Historical events can be researched and evaluated for sure. Some conclusions may also be drawn to be a lesson today. However, History is only history. First of all, we cannot say ‘History’ to the carefully selected subjects, which are meticulously chosen from specific resources and examined in a single-sided way.
Second of all, no matter how academic it is, some influences such as final court order cannot be imposed to historical results.
The decision of The Great Circle of European Court of Human Right for Perincek – Switzerland case has razed the Armenian claims and strategies. It is possible and necessary that 1915 events should be investigated with respect to history.
HistoryofTruth.com: In historical and political context, what is your opinion about the ideal of Big (Combined) Armenia and the essential aims of Armenians?
Sadi Çaycı: There might be similar dreams of so many states and nations. But, reality and dreams are different from each other. The concepts, rules and necessities of the Charter of the United Nations and the mandatory rules of International Law are definite. Such claims and demands should not be taken seriously as evaluating within the frame of Freedom of Speech. The important part in terms of International law is the demands, which are required from diplomatic channels officially. Such fact as making a claim of history is out of question. History might be helpful in terms of taking lessons.
HistoryofTruth.com: Do you think that ASALA still exist and do Turkish diplomats in USA still under a threat?
Sadi Çaycı: We hear the name of ASALA in media recently. But, we should consider the idea of the National Security Organization in the context of their aims and level of threat. My consideration about this can only be composed of speculation. We must not forget that in the scope of secret / covered operations such organizations can always be used by Armenia or another countries in any possible way.
HistoryofTruth.com: The comments of Papa Francis about 1915 events caused to reactions in Muslim World. What are your opinions and observations about the religious dimension of Armenian issue?
Sadi Çaycı: It cannot be expected that the people, who come through one-sided education systems, can be objective. Pope Francis is also included to this. This fact cannot be annihilated completely. Through the way of Public Diplomacy, informing related communities can be beneficial.
The massacres, the crimes against humanity and the international crimes as genocide must be considered in a humanistic way. If you blend the concepts about politics and religion, you can yaw to wrong way. Another principle that must not be forgotten is that we must consider the events according to the rules and the knowledge of the time they happened. We must not fall into the trap of ignoring these considerations.
HistoryofTruth.com: In what way does the decision of European Court of Human Right effect international social perspective about Armenian accusations?
Sadi Çaycı: The decision is important. The appointed events with a certain court decision as Holocaust etc. and undetermined events are not same. These last events can be objects of discussion and research. This is the basic requisition of the freedoms of speech, idea and research. I think the interested people in a certain education and culture level might be impressed from this decision we talk about. Unfortunately, there is nothing to say for those who obsess this topic psychologically.
HistoryofTruth.com: What must Turkey do in order to strengthen its position in international arena against Armenian accusations? What are your ideas about this subject?
Sadi Çaycı: Information and informing are so important. At this point, there are significant duties that our universities and think tanks fall to. International meetings must be supported. The meetings among us cannot always be very functional. As I said before, there is no such thing to do for those with one-track mind who obsessed this issue or who transformed this topic into means of support. The people apart from that who are interested in the subject should learn to listen and understand each other. Adjudicating by looking only to one side of the medallion is entirely wrong. If the other side of the medallion, which must be ranked in priority, is being continued to ignore, any activity under the name of ‘scientific meeting’ cannot go further to be the dialogue of the deaf.
HistoryofTruth.com: On the occasion of last year was the hundredth anniversary of So-called Armenian claims, Armenian Diaspora was very active. In terms of struggling against their claims, what types of situations are waiting us in 2016?
Sadi Çaycı: There is no such claim as ‘so-called.’ Claim is claim. Anyone can claim anything. This is an idea and the statement of this idea. There might be defense and / or counter claim against the claim. Any of these have bindings. These can be effective only on the level of propaganda. Decision makers do not consider or decide on something by looking these propagandas. They give priority to reality, knowledge, experience and expertness.
As it was in previous years, in 2016, I guess that Armenia and some other countries will continue to use this subject as an element of oppression insofar as they consider Turkey sensitive and weak. Turkey is becoming alone in international arena insofar as moving away from contemporary values. Turkish republic, which has established by Ataturk and his friends, is designed as a new country in order to overcome the level of contemporary civilization. First of all, it is necessary to reach this level in order to actualize this.
HistoryofTruth.com: Can any change in the implementations and enforcements of Armenian government be effective for the relations between Turkey and Armenia? According to you, what kind of solutions and agreements can change the course of these relations?
Sadi Çaycı: It is natural that the governments consider their benefits primarily, including Armenia. As the phrase is that this is the first step and version of the nationalism. No matter how strong a government is; if the aims of the national security policy pass over its abilities, if they are one-sided and make a fool of other side/s, if they don’t give due importance to common interests and international law; it means that government makes itself miserable, gives damage to international peace and security and creates threats. I think the nationalism in a contemporary way is improving the ability of the collaboration and solidarity based on international law and common benefits. But unfortunately, I cannot see any glimmer of hope in our region, including Armenia. We can only look to the future with confident, if logic, mind and account based nationalism dominates this region instead of emotion-based nationalism.
HistoryofTruth.com: In the last decade, both in the global axis and in comparison with the works of Armenian lobby, what do you think about the changes in the power of Turkish lobby?
Sadi Çaycı: I didn’t follow this subject in details. But in general terms, I can say that there is a recovery positively and visibly. There are the samples of the armed violence in various regions of the world under the name of ‘Islam’ by various terrorist organizations. These terrorist actions become widespread and the current administration in Turkey prefers Islam-oriented foreign and domestic politics, so these concentrations cause to negative outlook in the eye of international society.
HistoryofTruth.com: What is your opinion about the expectations of Armenian Diaspora in terms of untruthful genocide claims? What do you think about the assumptions intended that Armenian Diaspora achieves economic benefits from these claims?
Sadi Çaycı: It seems that this subject has turned into a commercial sector. We cannot expect that it would end in a short time. If we upgrade our level of knowledge and inform the establishments and the respondents effectively, then we can downgrade this subject into easily manageable level as developing international communication channels even if it doesn’t completely end.
By the way, we must not forget the preparations that slant law as lawfares against Turkey on the subjects of property, citizenship, inheritance etc. by giving human rights law as justification. So, we must be prepared for this. This dimension must be widely considered in the vocational trainings of the justice members.
HistoryofTruth.com: According to some media statements, Kurdish terrorist organizations used Armenian lands in order to attach Turkish security forces. Do you think that Turkey can perform operations against these terrorist organizations in Armenia as it is in North Iraq and North Syria? What is your opinion about the ideas of this terrorist organization as being an Armenian project and a successor of ASALA?
Sadi Çaycı: Such approaches seem to me as superficial approaches. These organizations, on the scale of common benefits, can be in cahoots with the states and other crime syndicates. This is the fact of life. Its prohibition is also difficult. If these situations are certain in terms of Armenia, under the frame of international law, it is possible that Turkey can consult to counter measures such as retaliation and reprisal as considering the principles of the necessity and the proportionality.
Another subject that should be dwelled on is the mailed fist. A powerful army can be desired and it is an important element in terms of national power. But the results obtained by only military power and success are not reliable. The acquisitions gained only by military power are narrow-scoped and deceptive. To be in right and there is no other way can be essential. I think the experience of USA in Iraq and Afghanistan is sufficient to give an idea about this. The politics and the diplomacy are essentials. As we always say, we must carefully analyze our expression as ‘We win in the battlefield, but we lose on the table.’ In this case, it is obvious that nothing ends in the battlefield.
HistoryofTruth.com: Can you make evaluations about the point of Turkey and Russia relations from past to present both in the context of Armenian issue and in the global axis?
Sadi Çaycı: Russian Federation is a big country with geographical depth and history which covered a distance to their old powerful days under the governance of Putin. But there are serious apprehensions in terms of the sustainability of this outgoing. Turkey seems to unaware of the importance of the diplomatic wording and politeness and also break off the global and regional realities. I’m afraid of the negative conclusions of the implementations of these sides, which are not at an equal power with one-sided intellections.
HistoryofTruth.com: The resolution of Srebrenitsa Genocide could not pass through United Nations Security Council because of Russian veto. And also Russia supports Armenian accusations against Turkey. What kinds of lessons should Turkey take from this situation?
Sadi Çaycı: United Nations Security Council is not a legislative power. Law does not create. Council is a political organ. Unless indicated otherwise, it remains advisory and it has not legal connectivity. Politics and diplomacy are such things. They are the facts of the life. This situation will continue unless approving the application to International Court of Justice against the decisions and inactivity of the council in the medium and long term. I don’t mean that there is no connectivity of international law and Charter of the United Nations. All countries including Turkey and Russian Federation, doesn’t want to entitle other countries to interfere their life-sustaining security topics. For this reason, in fact, nobody has words to be talked out in this manner.
HistoryofTruth.com: In conclusion, do you want to forward any message to the readers of our news portals?
Sadi Çaycı: The loyalty of the constitutional order and society in the state that we live in / choose to live in is the necessity of both law and humanity. On condition that this aspect remains hidden, no matter which ethnic origin they are from, like all other communities, all Turkish Republic citizens should look after Turkey’s benefits and effect the decision makers and positions as the need arises and when applicable.
USA is the key element of the global security. It’s not an accurate approach that USA is responsible from all negativity in the region or the country. There is an impression that if USA disappears, world become more secured. USA made / may make / will make mistakes under the condition that it pays the prize. The basic management and security problem of Middle East countries, including Turkey, is at this point. In this region, the states and governances never (!) make mistakes.
The people who govern Turkish Republic and who select the government authorities should know and understand the concrete criteria and basic concepts that make the state and the society contemporary influentially: International statistics. It is insufficient to boast of us. It is essential that we must work hard and be confident with internal digesting under the guidance of the knowledge.
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