COMMUNICATIONS WITH ARMENIAN DIASPORA: PART 8

You stated: "Despite my repeated demands that you come clear, YOU ARE STILL HIDING BEHIND A FIRST NAME..." No one is hiding behind anything especially me. It is an excepted practice not to use proper names for there are fanatics who justify genocidal killings of innocent people what can be more scary than that. Nobody cares who I am other than yourself.

As I stated above: "Would I call all Americans terrorists on the account of what Timothy McVey did in Oklahoma, certainly not. Would I call all Iraqis in Iraq terrorists on account of all the bombings that take place now, certainly not. Would I call all the Irish terrorists from all the bombings they have done, certainly not. Would I call all Turks terrorists on account of all the terror they have caused to the Armenian people, certainly not. Any reasonable person would not cast all people on the wrong decision of violence. The difference is that Turkey as I stated a number of times before has policies that over the century has suppressed its minorities. A Government policy, of suppression.

Yet in your skewed view (as evidenced in your posts above) you cast "all" Armenians as terrorists? This goes to the heart of your credibility, balance of thought, pure racism, and pure hatred." You seem to know all about terrorism, (then) go work for Homeland Security. (It) seems they care less than you on this matter. They days of the Salem Witch Hunts are over. Worth noting not one word of your previous post has any relevance to the Armenian genocide its merely meant to distract the issue at hand, your denial of the genocide. Cut and paste all you want it will not diminish what the Ottoman Government committed against the innocent Armenian populations: Genocide.

 

Posted by: Rich | April 30, 2007 9:11 PM

 

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The point is the killing of Hrant Dink because he recognized the Armenian genocide. He was killed by Turkish Nationalists bent on suppressing it's minorities. I would not stoop so low as to defame and slander all Turks, as you are Armenians. I do not need to copy and paste select smoke and mirror Turkish propaganda. I will spare our readers all the cut and paste internet information on the Turkish Government's intentional inability to protect its minorities, inability to promote tolerance, which is indirectly promoting select radical nationalists to barbarically, torture, and slay defenseless Christian missionaries. I ask our readers to web search "Hrant Dink Armenian genocide" to get a true perspective of what happened. I don't have to spoon feed propaganda, the truth is out there already.

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you stated: "As you can see, Armenian terrorism is not a spur of the moment hate crime; it is a phenomenon, a well documented trend, a cultivated and revered tradition in the Armenian community. That is why no one protested the murder of a Turkish diplomat in Los Angeles in 1982 (compare that with 100,000 Turks who protested in Istanbul the killing of Hrant Dink!!!)" You are a sorry sack, now you are saying that all those posts are in our "tradition in the Armenian Community" I encourage you to keep posting. Our readers are getting a very clear descript version of unadulterated racism and bigotry.

 

Posted by: Rich | April 30, 2007 11:56 PM

 

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Let's go one step at a time and make solid determinations along the way as reached by your comments:

1- You are hiding behind a first name because you say you are afraid of fanatics. This sounds like a convenient smoke screen to cover your real identity: an Armenian lobbyist connected to ARF, ANCA, and /or others. You may also be living a deception you do not want exposed. Either way, "the messenger's identity, motives, and past acts" may have a strong bearing on the "messages". The readers are thus, unfortunately, stripped of the ability to judge the messengers along with the messages.

2- You suggest Googling Hrant Dink. Fine. Then how about Googling the following two words: Armenian, Terrorism? Then you will read what the Western experts and home security officials say about the Armenian terrorists.

3- None of this takes away from the ROCK SOLID FACT that no Armenian marched for a Turk assassinated by an Armenian in more than 70 occasions since 1973 but more than 100,000 Turks marched in protest of killing of an Armenian by a Turk? And that Armenians raised funds for Armenian killers many times, whereas Turks rejected and disowned the Turkish killer the very first time it happened? Can you not see the vast difference here? Can you not see that the Armenian community owns and supports Armenian terrorism whereas The Turkish community soundly rejects the only hate crime committed by a Turk on an Armenian since 1923? Must you be an Armenian not to see this and not to feel this in your bones? Do you believe that all those innocent Turkish victims of Armenian terrorists since 1973 "deserved death" because they were born Turkish? How can you not see that while Dink's Turkish murderer was turned over to police by no other than his shocked and disappointed Turkish father, more than 100 Armenian terrorists (ASALA, JCAG, etc.) over the past 30+ years were revered, supported, and financed by the Armenian community? Does your hate for all things Turkish make you this blind?

Prof. Justin McCarthy, professor of history at the University of Louisville, Kentucky, U.S.A. presented a very insightful paper on Armenian terrorism at the Symposium on International Terrorism, held by Ankara University, Ankara, Turkey, in 1984, titled : "Armenian Terrorism: History As Poison And Antidote".

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Posted by: Ergun Kirlikovali | May 1, 2007 12:11 PM

 

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As I stated before, our readers are getting a very clear descript version of unadulterated racism and bigotry. The only thing that is (as you state) "bogus" is your credibility. I've already shown our readers how racist and bigoted you are, yet you keep posting broad generalities of one ethnic people. I don't think anyone told you when you came to the United States but it is not an excepted norm to use broad generalities toward anyone or ethnic people. It is in Turkey but not here. Please keep posting it seems to make you feel good, more-so, it further justifies my point of your lack of tolerance toward any ethnic people other than your own. You stated before that your thoughts are on behalf of 72 million Turkish people. What an embarrassment to Turkey, more-so to humanity.

 

Posted by: Rich | May 1, 2007 2:31 PM

 

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I have shown how the Armenian terror groups intimidated, harassed, and murdered countless Muslims, mostly Turks, between 1860-1920 (See above for papers presented by prominent historians Prof. Heath Lowry and Prof. Justin McCarthy.) I have also listed the terrorist activities of the Armenian terror groups around the globe from 1973 to present, including right here in the U.S. ( i.e. by ASALA, JCAG, others) I have thus documented how the Armenian community supported and financed those terrorists when they were caught by taking up collections at Armenian churches and showing up for support during court proceedings. All told, I have tried to document a period of over "150 years Armenian terrorist acts" (assassinations, bombings, bomb threats, assaults, batteries, etc.) , over a geography that is "most of the globe", and how the Armenian communities seem to embrace terrorism. There was not one, REPEAT NOT ONE, demonstration or protest march by Armenians DENOUNCING Armenian killers in OVER 150 YEARS and around the GLOBE!

Then I have contrasted all this obvious trend and plain fact with the strong Turkish reaction last January to Dink's killer: killer's shocked and disappointed Turkish father turned his own son over to police; the killer was caught in 36 hours with help from ordinary Turkish citizens; and more than 100,000 people marched down Istanbul streets "We are all Dink! We Are all Armenians today!" (note: Armenian population in Turkey is 60,000 and not all walked); Turkish political leaders denounced the hate crime in no uncertain terms... Isn't this enough to see that Turks reject hate crimes and terrorism?

NOW IF YOU STILL CANNOT SEE THE STARK CONTRAST HERE BETWEEN THE ATTITUDES OF THE ARMENIAN AND TURKISH COMMUNITIES TOWARDS HATE CRIMES AND TERRORISM, THEN I WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU ENROLL IN A SENSITIVITY COURSE.

IF YOU CANNOT SEE THE DIFFERENCES HIGHLIGHTED ABOVE BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES, THEN NO AMOUNT OF DOCUMENTATION CAN CHANGE YOUR PREJUDICE AND BIGOTRY.

Too bad for you. But that is your problem. Since I am not really writing for you, but for the benefit of the fair-minded truth seekers out there, I feel I should continue to take a closer look at the Armenian terror groups in our midst. These facts must be brought forward for all to see (not for you to appreciate or, God forbid, change your mind)

Today, I will show you how some Armenian terrorists befriended some American politicians and journalists and even appeared in local newspaper columns as "respected community leaders" until caught in the act, arrested, tried, convicted, and jailed. None of those politician or journalist friends of the Armenian terrorist came forward with a statement of remorse or apology for "having misled" the unsuspecting American citizens about the respectability of at least one such respected-Armenian-community-leader-turned-terrorist. To date, I am still waiting to hear one...

None issued reports, either, of how some of those pronouncements made under the request and manipulation of the convicted Armenian terrorist. Wouldn't you want to know what political resolutions were signed into effect by those politicians and glorified by those journalists currying favor with the Armenian leader-turned-terrorist?

I know most readily demonize Turkey and Turks for the alleged genocide, but I still think it would be the proper thing to do for those American politicians and journalists to come clean on their ties with the Armenian terrorist, even if they think those ties are insignificant. It is the thought that counts. It is the gesture of honesty and fairness. Is it too much to expect such behavior from people enjoying public trust?

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Posted by: Ergun Kirlikovali | May 4, 2007 8:48 AM

 

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The US State Department does not list the organizations you mention. If you are so alarmed at the current state of the Armenian Community from your bigoted point of view then by all means complain the US Government. Link: http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm

Current List of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations: (Omitted for brevity. EK)

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I am sure our readers have already figured out who is so misdirected. The only ones who have sympathy to your posts are very few (if not nil), including Turkish Government deniers and their agents. The point is the Armenian genocide and your denial of it, nothing more.

Posted by: Rich | May 4, 2007 3:21 PM

 

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Your posts are merely trying to cast the denialist victimizer Government, Turkey as victims. Whatever happened after the fact of the Armenian Genocide does not minimize or make it untrue. You (are) also referencing www.ataa.org, not surprising (as) they are agents in Armenian Genocide denial. I am sure you call this organization home.

Posted by: Rich | May 4, 2007 11:04 PM

 

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Are you denying Armenian terrorism?

Are you ignoring the more than 70 Turkish victims of Armenian terrorists since 1973?

Are you denying the hundreds of assassinations, bombings, bomb threats, assault-and-batteries committed by hate-filled Armenians?

In your mind, am I making these up?

Are you dismissing Armenian aggression and ethnic cleansing in Azerbaijan?

Are you aware that Armenia occupies by force of arms 20% of Azerbaijan proper today?

Are you denying the Van rebellion of 1915?

Are you denying violent Armenian revolts in the 1890-1915 period? (Do you want me to list them here?)

Are you denying existence of Ottoman-Armenians under the invaders' (i.e. Russian, French, and British) uniforms?

Are you denying killing of Ottoman-Muslims by Ottoman-Armenians?

Do you wish me to quote here what Armenian leader have said, written, and published after the World War One?

If Turks killed all the Armenians during WWI, then where did you and thousands like you come from? A Jurassic park for Armenians?

If Turks hated and killed all Armenians, why are there still Armenians in Istanbul today?

Why were Armenians in Edirne, Izmir, and other Western Ottoman-cities and regions not subjected to TERESET (temporary resettlement)?

Why? Why? Why?

The fact of the matter is, Armenian plans of finishing the Turk with the help of the allied invaders backfired. Armenian plans of creating a greater Armenia on Turkish soil were doomed from the start, because the Armenians constituted only a MINORITY in the Ottoman lands they coveted. Armenians were only used by the allies for the selfish reasons of the allies. After the war, the Armenians begged for a place at the peace conference table (Paris, 1919) and were finally allowed an "observer status". Imagine that! For all the shameless treason and backstabbing, and killing your Turkish neighbors, and licking the boots of the invaders, and, and, and...all the Armenians got was "an observer status"!!!

Even that is too much, if you ask me... Terrorism, treason, and revolts mean you are not trustworthy... If you can backstab your fellow Ottoman citizens today, what is there to prevent Armenians from backstabbing their new "fellow citizens" in any allied country?

Isn't it what you do best?

Begging, crying, asking, backstabbing, revolting, terrorizing, betraying, ethnic cleansing, aggression, demanding, lying, fabricating, distorting, falsifying, defaming, demonizing?

(Did I say begging?)

Posted by: Ergun Kirlikovali | May 5, 2007 2:11 PM

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Turkey has committed atrocities against its own citizens. That is something you conveniently overlook, not so with the International Community. The questions you raise try and divert the main point and is in line with the Turkish government circumventing, and denying the Armenian genocide. Nice attempt but the International Community has listened to this same song and dance for over 90 years. Keep posting your bigotry does not stop proving itself to our readers.

Posted by: Rich | May 5, 2007 3:31 PM

 

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You don't believe anything I say, although I document everything. I say let's let readers can decide who is telling the truth. After all, I am not the one who is hiding behind a fictitious first name all these months and spew Armenian propaganda. I have signed my full under every statement I make, as I always do, as I believe in openness and honesty.

Since you will not believe me just because I am Turkish, perhaps you will believe one of your fellow Armenians. What follows is a remarkable testimony by an Armenian-American who is honest and brave enough to sign his full name after his messages.

Ed Tashji, American-born son of Ottoman-Armenian and Ottoman-Syrian Orthodox parents, has devoted his whole adult life to defending Turkey and Turkish culture against un-relenting defamation campaigns launched by the A.F.A.T.H. community in the U.S. His love for Turkey and Turks is such that he still refers to Turkey as "my country"; his car plate reads "Vatan"; he wears gold crescent and star necklace everyday; carries the largest Turkish flag every year at the Turkish American Day Parade (May 19) in New York; and has written thousands of letters to U.S. politicians, media, companies, and whoever else would listen, enlightening them about the facts surrounding Turkish history.

I am honored to get to know and befriend Ed Tashji when I lived in New York (1982-1985). Our friendship blossomed into one of the most enduring relations over the years when both of us found ourselves fighting against the same injustice, bias, and bigotry dished out by the notorious Armenian lobby onto Turkey, Turks, and Turkish-Americans.

His work to discredit the AAG did not go unnoticed. All Turkish ambassadors to Washington D.C. since 1960s have honored him during Republic Day balls. All Turkish presidents since 1960 (i.e. Cevdet Sunay, Fahri Koruturk, Kenan Evren, Turgut Ozal, and Suleyman Demirel) have given him a one-on-one audience.

Hulki Cevizoglu, Turkey's Jim Lehrer if you like, devoted an entire TV program of "Ceviz Kabugu" (lasting more than 3 hours) to Ed Tashji, discussing a wide variety of subjects from personal upbringing, hobbies and interests, to politics, history, and anti-Turkish lobbies in the US. Reportedly, there weren't many "dry eyes" left in the entire country of Turkey when Tashji, upon request, sang some sad Turkish songs of the WWI era, that he learned from his mother, many of them long forgotten even in Turkey.

Ed Tashji has held the position of the director of the public relations committee of FTAA many years in the past 20 years. His loving wife of 40+ years, Mary Tashji, also an ethnic Armenian, has been fully supportive of Ed's actions. Mary was always by Ed's side in whatever Ed Tashji said or did. Tashji died in 2005 in New York. Mary Tashji, his widow, still lives in New York.

Tashji also wrote a most revealing auto-biography called "Armenian Allegations: The Truth Must Be Told" (ISBN: 1930574282) , where he shed light on the Armenian agitation and terror during 1890-1915 period, from an Armenian family's aspect.

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Posted by: Ergun Kirlikovali | May 5, 2007 8:19 PM

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You just don't get it. Is anyone to believe that since (Tashji's) views also deny the Armenian genocide, (does giving his) ethnicity makes it relevant? You view things in terms of race Armenians vs. Turks. Also Muslims vs. Christian. I don't view it in ethnic terms or religious, this was a Ottoman/Turkish Government policy to commit genocide against innocent Armenians.

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Also as I stated before your deep seated motivations are misdirected (as) your Grandparents were killed, as you stated, in Northern Greece. NOT by Armenians. I think your deep seated issue is against Christians more-so than Armenians. Your being in America (a mostly Christian populated Country) precludes your lashing out at Christians as a whole.

Your excerpt: "The catastrophe, known as the Balkan Wars, totally wiped out my paternal grandparents in what is today Northern Greece and nearly annihilated my maternal grandparents in what is today Macedonia. Millions of Turks and other Muslims were killed or forced to abandon their homes, fields, and businesses and run, if they were to escape the wrath of the ethnic cleansing campaign brutally unleashed upon them. Death and destruction were all around them, as numerous campaigns were waged ruthlessly by the various and competing Balkan Christians (Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Serbs, and others)."

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You also stated: "Truth and fairness are my only motivations...honesty and openness are my only guides..." I find humor in that you need to mention "honesty" and "openness" to describe yourself.

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Keep posting, do you have any more standard issue Turkish Propaganda?

Posted by: Rich | May 6, 2007 1:53 AM

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You stated: " find humor in that you need to mention 'honesty' and 'openness' to describe yourself". This, coming from an Armenian who hides behind a fictitious first name all these months!?... I will continue to tell the other side of the story about the Turkish-Armenian conflict that the Armenian lobbies in the West have hijacked and deceptively dubbed a genocide. Here is a gem that will keep you awake at night: Another NOTARIZED statement... This one from an Ottoman-Jew who actually witnessed the Ottoman-Armenian fifth column activities:

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Posted by: Ergun Kirlikovali | May 6, 2007 8:54 AM

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Who's fooling who? You are the one who's leading the readers to assume someone is being fooled not myself. I respect the readers' intelligence not to purport myself as honest and truthful that you need to do. I also respect the reader's intelligence to ask them to further justify the killing of innocent Armenians called the Armenian Genocide. Also as I stated before no one is concerned with who I am. Who cares, fictitious names are very common with blogs look around you. Maybe you have nowhere else to self gratify yourself with seeing your name posted on legitimate web sites such as this, other than Turkish Propaganda sites where all these cut and paste information comes from.

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Your excerpt: "The catastrophe, known as the Balkan Wars, totally wiped out my paternal grandparents in what is today Northern Greece and nearly annihilated my maternal grandparents in what is today Macedonia. Millions of Turks and other Muslims were killed or forced to abandon their homes, fields, and businesses and run, if they were to escape the wrath of the ethnic cleansing campaign brutally unleashed upon them. Death and destruction were all around them, as numerous campaigns were waged ruthlessly by the various and competing Balkan Christians (Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Serbs, and others)."

Posted by: Rich | May 6, 2007 9:37 AM

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My Armenian friend who hides behind a fictitious first name does not seem to understand that the bogus Armenian genocide is exposed even by Armenian sources.

It is true that the Armenian archives are closed to the international research community. The Armenian national archives in Erivan, The Republic of Armenia, might only be seen by select few in the A.F.A.T.H. [1] community. The Armenian nationalists' archives in Boston, USA, are also closed and, again, only a handful in the A.F.A.T.H. [1] community might have access. Other Armenian papers in Glendale, California and Washington DC, as well as in Europe are all closed to the international research community. If access to these Armenian archives, which I collectively call "the evil papers", could be freely had, then one could see what sort of plans were set in motion since 1860 in the Ottoman Empire, Armenia, Russia, and the West, to devour the Turk. No one really knows the real scope and depth of "the evil papers" or where they may lead to.

Also, I would not be surprised one bit, if one day, we find out that those "evil archives", contain the missing links and the "smoking guns" in the unsolved terrorist activities around the world. Information like who paid how much to what assassin via what channels; who got their terrorist training where; who were the teachers and the suppliers who aided and abetted the Armenian terrorists; where the Armenian assassins got their weapons and travel papers; what politicians helped or facilitated the execution of the Armenian plans; and more could all be buried in these "evil papers". I strongly believe that "the evil papers" may prove to be a "gold mine" for criminologists and the study of Armenian terrorism from 1860 to this day. I, therefore, urge the A.F.A.T.H. [1] lobby to put their money where their mouth is; open their "evil papers" to global research and scrutiny; and let the chips fall where they may.

It remains to be seen, whether this denial of public access to Armenian archives has anything to do with much feared discovery of hot leads connecting current and past Armenian leaders to organized terror and hate crimes since 1860. Not only the Armenian leaders, but also their sympathizers, supporters, financiers, and perhaps even some American Protestant missionaries and politicians, may surface on the radar screen of Armenian terrorism, which is responsible for murdering millions of Muslims, mostly Turkish, in the Russian Empire (1860-1915), the Ottoman Empire (1890 -1923), and hundreds in America and around the world (1973-present).

We will never know the answers until and unless the Armenians open their archives fully and unconditionally to public scrutiny by international research community. I would be very curious to know, for example,

-- Who were those American politicians with whom the convicted Armenian terrorist who served time in a federal prison, in his capacity as "a respected Armenian leader" before he was caught, hobnobbed all the time?

-- Who were those media personalities and journalists filing those "glowing reports" about the A.A.G. ?

-- Did any of them take any money from Armenian terrorist and/or his groups and/or associates?

-- Who helped the Armenian terrorist , until he was convicted of transporting explosives illegally across state lines?

-- Are there meeting minutes? IOUs? Payola schemes?

-- What politicians responded to Armenian terrorist and promised to pass what anti-Turkish resolution in the U.S. Congress for the Armenian community?

-- What American politician got paid how much for their "support" for the Armenian cause and by what Armenian organization, groups, and/or Armenians?

-- Who financed what portion of the purchase, manufacturing, transporting, and/or storing of those explosives?

-- What did the other Armenian know about the convicted Armenian terrorist and when did they know it?

-- Why do Armenians fear opening their archives to the American public?

-- How much money did outspoken anti-Turkish politicians like Radanovic, Schiff, and many others receive from the Armenian organizations while in public office?

Thousands maybe even millions of questions like these are still waiting for answers... The A.F.A.T.H. lobby used to complain bitterly: "Turkey's archives are closed. Why don't the Turks open them?". Well, the Turks did open them. Turkish archives are fully open since mid 1987. How about Armenians doing the same now?

Having made those points, please allow me to present some historical evidence and stunning quotes refuting the A.A.G.. They clearly show the real motives and modes of operation of the Armenian nationalists, always skillfully hidden behind the "poor, starving Armenian" myth, were actually to ethnically cleanse the Turks to change the demography of the Eastern Anatolia in Armenians' favor, in order to establish a greater Armenia on Turkish soil. Of course, the Armenians got lots of help from Russia, England, France and others to achieve their utopia, which was not to be, as the major powers eyed the Ottoman lands for themselves.

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After the response of my Armenian lobbyist friend who hides behind a fictitious name for months, I will show you how historians refute the bogus Armenian claims of genocide.

Posted by: Ergun Kirlikovali | May 6, 2007 4:28 PM

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You seem to be mistaken, you are the misdirected lobbyist roaming the halls of Sacramento, with hardly anyone to talk to. It's a good thing hardly anyone buys this Turkish propaganda that seems to gratify your misdirected false sentiments.

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The ultimate form of terror was committed by the Ottoman Turkish Government and agents of denial such as yourself gratify themselves in double killing of the victims. Our readers are witnessing inhumanity to man at its worst. Turkey's Ultranationalist agents such as yourself are literally blind to inhumanity to its minorities in Turkey. I do not need to post victim as victimizer propaganda such as you have. All I ask is for our readers to research for themselves to see what the Turkish Government has done and its current policies that have lead to oppression and killing of its minorities in present day Turkey. It is sad that we need to subject ourselves of racism, bigotry, and inhumanity. The only way to understand that it exists is to see it firsthand. Casting the victims as victimizers, as I stated before, is standard issue propaganda from the Nazi era against the Jews, and we all know the Nazi Germans committed a holocaust similar to that of the Ottoman/Turks to the innocent Armenian civilians.

Posted by: Rich | May 6, 2007 7:30 PM

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(EK's note updated here: "Rich" responds with a repeat-post of the so-called genocide scholars, a recent invention of the Armenian lobby to have their bogus genocide claims repeated by some scholars-for-hire… Since it is plastered all over the AFATH [1] websites, I did not reproduce it here.)

Uh-oh!... My "stealthy" Armenian lobbyist friend who hides behind a fictitious "anglicized" name (designed to make American readers think that grassroots Americans are writing the messages he is concocting) for months started sputtering...

He posts the same message again, totally forgetting that he already cut-n-pasted it in the past. Is it possible that he has come to the end of his nagging recitations? Does that mean he will start reciting "the official Armenian position" all over again?

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Dear "Rich", if that's your real name (I am having fun with this).

By reciting 12 ways to deny genocide, you made "genocide-deniers" out of all the Armenian scholars, writers, politicians, clergy, and others listed below:

Hovhannes Katchaznouni, the first Prime Minister of the independent Armenian Republic (1918-1922)

Arto Derounian (as John Roy Carlson), Armenian Affairs magazine, 1949-50

Armenian newspaper Yeridasart Hayasdan ('Young Armenia', published in the United States IN 1915)

Letter of 'Yervantoni Committee' from the Armenian newspaper Asbarez (published in the United States IN 1915)

Sabah-Gulian who wrote in the Armenian newspaper Inkenavar Hayasdan ('Independent Armenia') in 1916

Armenian Catholicos of Etchmiadzin, 1914

The Armenian newspaper Hayasdan ('Armenia', published in Sofia, Bulgaria), 1914

K. Sdepan Papazian, who wrote "Patriotism perverted" , Balkar Press, Boston, 1934

Aram Tourabian, who wrote "The Armenian Volunteers Under the French Flags", Marseille, 1917

Boghos Nubar, head of Armenian delegation to Paris Peace talks ("as observers(!) after all the boot-licking), 1919

Hairenik, newspaper of the Armenian Dachnak Party, 1918

Gotchnak, Armenian newspaper published in the United States, 1915

The Armenian review Armenia (published in Turin, Italy), 1914

Migirdic Agop, writer of "The Turkish Armenians", Istanbul, 1922

The Armenian clergy Boghos Kalemian and the president H. Melidossian of the Armache's Hintchak committee (municipality of Ermiche, Izmit) 1914

Avetis Aharonian, writer of "From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne , Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963"

Louise Nalbandian, writer of "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement, Berkeley 1963"

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And I am not listing who else you turned into deniers: American, British, French, German, Austrian, Swedish, Turkish, and other scholars, diplomats, journalists, soldiers, statesmen, and others...

Is it possible that in labeling them "genocide-deniers", what you really mean is " truth-seekers"?

After all, how can one deny something that doesn't exist?

Today, for the fair-minded truth-seekers, I will provide some information on the works of AMERICAN TRUTH-SEEKERS, i.e. scholars, journalists, and dignitaries which clearly refute the Armenian claims of genocide.

IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS THAT REFUTE THE AAG (Ergun Kirlikovali's note: you can read all of these in the archives at www.turkla.com )

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Posted by: Ergun Kirlikovali | May 7, 2007 12:08 PM

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You're the one who seems frantic to find cut and paste posts to attempt to justify the unjustifiable, denying the suffering of innocent Armenians. Deniers of Armenian Genocide have no compassion for human life, or dignity toward human life. As I mentioned before, it is common knowledge not to write proper names over the internet, because of fanatics such as yourself who are misdirected, and supposedly dedicate "so-called humble work" to their family? I seriously question whether they would be proud, more like dishonored.

Twelve Ways To Deny A Genocide

(Again the same geno-scholar nonsense posted here. Omitted to avoid boredom. You can check with any Armenian website for this propagandist article. EK)

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Keep posting the Turkish propaganda machine and their agents have an endless supply of propaganda. You seem to need to prove something that did happen, how frustrating it must be to disprove the truth.

Posted by: Rich | May 7, 2007 1:40 PM

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[1] A.F.A.T.H. : Armenian Falsifiers And Turk-Haters